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The MPs' Medal For Turning Up - Ex-Servicemen Angry At Military Award To Politicians
By Robert Mendick | Associated Press
January 18, 2010
MPs HAVE been condemned by ex-servicemen after accepting commemorative medals for time spent with the Armed Forces.
Some MPs have received the awards for 10 years’ or more membership of the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (AFPS).
The body allows politicians to spend around 22 days a year with the Forces. The practice has been criticised by former servicemen, families of personnel who have died in Iraq and a senior officer who led British forces in Afghanistan.
Col Richard Kemp, was commander of British troops in the country in 2003, and campaigned for a medal for all those wounded in action but was turned down by the Ministry of Defence.
He said: “It seems a bit rich to give a medal to an MP for visiting a combat zone, yet the Government is not prepared to give a medal to someone who has lost a leg or an arm in battle.” The AFPS medal is made of silver and attached to a crimson, gold and green ribbon representing the colours of the Lords, the Queen and the Commons.
It is an unofficial medal and is worn by recipients on the right breast.
MPs in the scheme – which is backed by the Ministry of Defence – are given a uniform which includes a badge decorated with a portcullis, the symbol of Parliament, and enter at the rank of major. They can earn promotion to colonel and above, according to the number of “training” days they attend. So far, around 200 MPs have participated but only eight to 10 have served long enough to be eligible for the award.
Soldiers are only awarded medals if they serve in a war zone, in operations, or for long service or acts of conspicuous bravery.
The MPs’ medal ceremony has previously taken place in the Speaker’s state dining room at the House of Commons, and is attended by senior military officers. The Labour MP Frank Cook was presented with his medal by Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the current Chief of the Defence Staff. Other politicians to receive the award include the Tories Roger Gale; James Gray; Edward Garnier QC, who is shadow attorney general; and Julian Lewis. They have all reached the rank of colonel or above.
Other Labour MPs known to have been given a medal include Andrew Miller.
“It is a bit vain to award yourself a medal just for spending time with members of the Armed Forces,” said Bob Clay, 78, who served in the Guards Independent Parachute Company for 22 years and is now a Royal British Legion committee member in Lymington, Hampshire.
“It is like patting yourself on the back. What the troops want is real support from politicians, not this sort of PR.”
Robert Hannaford, 76, who served in the Army Intelligence Corps in the 1950s and is now president of the Royal British Legion Club in Margate, Kent, said: “I’ve always been sceptical about medals awarded to people just for being in a certain place at a certain time rather than for earning them on merit.”
The scheme is run by Sir Neil Thorne, a former Tory MP and former colonel in the Territorial Army, with part-funding from the defence industry. He started it in 1988 to give MPs a clearer idea of Forces life.
Sir Neil defended the medal as recognition of long service and loyalty to service personnel.
“What I am trying to get them to do is support the men and women in the Armed Forces,” he said.
Mr Gale said: “I have got one medal from the scheme which I have worn on two occasions. Of course I would never wear it on something like Remembrance Sunday, because that’s for the bold who earned their medals in combat.”
Mr Gray said he had never worn the medal in public and considered it a “badge”.
The awarding of the medal has also attracted criticism from families of servicemen killed in action.
Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon, 19, was killed in an attack on Army vehicles in Iraq in 2004, said: “Of course it’s a good idea that MPs visit troops and spend time trying to understand the Armed, Forces because a lot of them don’t really understand the reality of what it is like. But they don’t deserve a medal just for doing their job like that.”
Mrs Gentle is due to receive her son’s posthumous Military Cross.
Reg Keys, whose son Tom was one of six Royal Military Police officers killed in Iraq in June 2003, said: “For an MP to qualify for a rank and a medal on the basis of a quick visit is excessive. It almost cheapens medals that are awarded for real service and bravery.”
The UK National Defence Medal campaign, which wants medals for all who have served the country since the Second World War, also believes the award is unjustified. Terry Scriven, a co-chairman, said: “It is outrageous that an MP can get what is effectively a Mickey Mouse medal for little more than 22 days’ service when we have members who served our country and got nothing.”
Col Scriven, who served in the military police, is standing as a Liberal Democrat against Julian Lewis at the next election. Dr Lewis, a brigadier in the AFPS, has accused Col Scriven in Parliament of trying to smear him. Dr Lewis refused to comment.
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vulcanbob
2 months ago
2 comments
It is an unofficial `mickey-mouse` medal commissioned by MPs of the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme and then awarded to themselves. To qive the medal some semblance of importance, they got Sir Jock Stirrup to award it. Why did he agree when he doesn`t have the time to award REAL medals to his ordinary sailors, soldiers and airmen?
dawnSC
6 months ago
2 comments
Is it not an MP's job to support our troops? For goodness sakes, get a grip of yourselves and be proud that you have the opportunity to visit our bravest men and women! Don't expect something for nothing. As an ex servicewoman, I find it very offensive and distasteful that anybody would want to accept and wear and medal when they have not done anything to deserve it. As for the comment from Neil Thorne ("Of course I would never wear it on something like Remembrance Sunday, because that’s for the bold who earned their medals in combat.”) surely that is question asked, question answered! You have done nothing to deserve it! Give it back and stop this now.
wingnut
6 months ago
4 comments
I am disgusted at these so called MPs i served 6years and when asked if i could get the medal for the 1000 duties i was told that i just missed out by 2 or 3 days and yet these so called monkeys get one for what saying i was out with the forces doing my bit for the troops the best thing they can do is stay well out of there way and give the guys and girls the gear that they need for doing the job as only they can i served in the UDR and served with some very good lads for other reg,s and was proud to do so now tell these people to stay well away their not needed. ex UDRcgc member.
Tartanninja
6 months ago
584 comments
No idea why these muppets shuold get a bloody medal, what for ripping off the public ?
it is a Mickey mouse medal..and means bugger all, all bling and no ding...worthless
djrose007
6 months ago
2 comments
I only did 12 years but on the premise of the MP's getting these awards maybe I should have a medal to show for my time during the 'Cold War' period. Apart from Northern Ireland there were no operational Zones during my time (65-78) but I did not expect a medal just for doing my job as part of the Royal Air Force!
Well said Goldwinggl1100
goldwinggl1100
6 months ago
4 comments
I dont know what everyone is griping about give them all medals for visiting combat zones but also give them a uniform and gun and make them do the same as the lads and lasses before they are given the medal
I would have loved to have a polititian come out on a 4 man patrol and earning a medal instead of sitting in a nice safe office surrounded by guys putting there lives on the line to protect them
Scots_Lass_Chrissy
6 months ago
618 comments
“What I am trying to get them to do is support the men and women in the Armed Forces,”
Huh!! They should not require a medal for that, they should be proud to do it, after all, every single Serving/Retired Sailor/Soldier/Airman/woman, in our Armed Forces, bravely put their precious lives on the line 24/7/36 to ensure we can remain living in the Freedom we can ALL take for granted, with very little support or thanks while these p*@^s swan in to Afghanistan, Iraq etc for a few hours, smiling like the Cheshire Cat who has the cream, saying 'Oh well done, keep up the good work' then hours later swan off back home to their families and their comfy lives, it would be different if THEY spent 6-7-8 months fighting beside you guys, but they this way?? It's yet another insult to all Members of our Armed Forces. And they wonder why Morale is low......well duh!! Sorry guys, I know I'm just a 'Civi' but I just see red at this.
Pauldc
6 months ago
2 comments
I find this practice of awarding medals to politicians absolutely diabolical! As a serving member of the armed forces I have witnessed the amount of extra effort required by our forces in covering their visits. As if we don't have enough to worry about without these pompous pretenders thinking that a quick visit will lift the morale of the troops. If they want to understand and help then do 1 complete tour of duty without all the extra backup they bring and do a standard 24hr shift pattern for 3/6 months doing the job they sent us out here to do!!
bluesydave
7 months ago
2 comments
Absolutely disgusting! But what else do you expect nowadays - pretenders the lot of them, and they don't do that very well.
dreme
7 months ago
1402 comments
Sod this lot, what about our National Defence Medal????
rainbow
7 months ago
6 comments
What a bunch of dishonourable "bottom feeders" but nothing that our elected " representatives" do for themselves surprises me any more
matrixgypo
7 months ago
2 comments
The disgraceful shower of shit. They never go up to the sharp end where things are hairy and basic. What right do they have to even merit a rank, never mind a medal. How dare you????
Charles_Windsor
7 months ago
240 comments
Why are our MP's awarding themselves these Military medals when they've actually done what we voted them in for and not actual military service?