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A European army has been on the cards for years, what do you think about the concept ???

BAD IDEA,be about much use as NATO or the UN forces.

Who would invade Europe exactly? Even if China rolled over the 'border' (where IS the border now? Poland/Ukraine, Russia/Poland, Greece/Turkey, Malta/The Sea) I'm sure we'd kick them out like we did the Germans out of Normandy in '44. When the need arises yes but not before. Pointless. Besides who would want to serve with the Spanish?

whitey14uk says ...

What do you mean 'On the cards?'. Is it something that's been suggested by the powers?

What we have here is a dam good military, the best in fact, a joint military with countries not willing to help others in need and surrender Monkeys? Na thanks!

 

Please correct if wrong but from what I've read this has been a plan for ages -- that what i meant by on the cards,

(anyway have yet to interject my thoughts, well theory perfect, but then again in theory NATO is perfect to; in reality its a shambles half the nations don't contribute most that do only do so on a small scale after much political persuasion, so reality a singular European defence force is a pointless plan but good in theory,On the other hand if it was just one force under the control of the EU where members volunteer,appose to every nation handing over their own armies to the cause -- it would mean one large army with a more substantial budget therefore can be better equipped - and in terms of joint venture many military products in Europe are done as joint venture between 2 or more nations, -- but then who decides where and how this force is deployed, so overall it would be a stupid idea wouldn't work and would, be giving more power to an already over powered thing, the EU plus it also sells the ability for each nation to defend it own borders properly)

Whitney14uk says

 I haven't heard anything about it!

No idea who the hell would take control and would require vast amoutns of re-training for all members to be up to the same standard as their foreign counterparts. I'm at a loss as to how it would work and would be financed.

When you say 'singular european army' do you mean just the army or a military as a whole being army, navy, RAF and high command?

In my opinion its not needed and not do-able.

As much as it pains me to say this I am of the same opinion as Whitney, its just not feasible! I pray as well that the powers to be see it the same way!       

 I would usually justify this with a long in depth response. I am just going to say "NO" as man who loves Europe. I am an American through and through. I wish I had double residency in Britain though. The strong should always protect the weak. However, in this scenario how many countries must one protect. as strong countries bear the load. They all need to build up after all the damage of communism and then a universal army can only be decided by the British People. All I can say is think United Nations peacekeepers :(.

I remember the Dutch lads out in the Balkans in the mid 90's when it was IFOR... they were far too laid back for my liking, not that there WERE many of them, but that's my point.. A single EU army would mean the same problem we have with NATO, it would not be an equal partnership with some countries, I.E. Blighty contributing more than others. Wouldn't it?

Has the world gone mad since i went on hoilday or did it get to much sun

Ive worked with some of these so called forces's

It would be a big big NO NO from me

I honestly rackon the theory is good but putting it into practice would be impossible,

when you consider the EU is now expanding and taking in the old soviet block state who are, lets face it, often poorly trained and using old soviet kit. whihc is of poorer standard to the those of western europe.

I also believe that the EU would be much like Nato, where the few teake responsiblitity for he masses.

However i would much rather have a power such as the EU deploying british troops then NATO what is primarly a US led affair, and often seems to be focused around US forgien policy and not much account given to it Europen contingent.

In my oppinion anyhow.

Well i would, say pretty much as many others have,

No.  well not with current position anyway.

as you say if we use NATO as a thing to measure this by commitment would not be there, therefore making it a pointless step. plus the eu is expanding taking on old soviet block state, with russia kit and hardly the highest trained forces in the world.

So logically No as its impossible

however if it  could be done, I.e we could all use same kit  and be as highly trained as the britsand commitment was garunteed, i suppose i would support the action.

whitey14uk says ...

WELBURN75 says ...

 

So logically No as its impossible

however if it  could be done, I.e we could all use same kit  and be as highly trained as the brits and commitment was guaranteed, i suppose i would support the action.

 

Isn't that a contradiction i terms?

The more I think about this the more one word comes to mind. Money money money money money money money money money money. Where is it going to come from? Any why would this be needed? Do you know of some massive military operation that's coming? If so please message me and let my OC know.

No its not a contradiction in terms, its simple really, in an ideal world where everything happens at the click of the finger then its a smashing idea, However being realistic it impossible and therefore not worth the the effort or the money.

And no I'm not aware of some massive conflict on the way. but why does that matter, NATO was not disbanded upon the end of the cold war, when it sole enemy was gone. So why would the creation of a united EU defence force(of sorts) need to be triggered by a coming war ? 

I'm british, would have given all for my queen and country. I believe the british forces are the best in europe' even if we have a corrupt government; which has sent our boys and ladies to do the dirty work of the yanks, with very poor shoddy equipment in afghanistan and iraq.

As a single europeon force, we would be run by generals / admirals who have very little knowledge of our ethics. Yet more indepedant power being removed from us as british fighting forces.

We have a feeble government who over the years has let us all down. Very few warships and submarines. And land forces whom. they can't give proper effective working life saving equipment too. As we all have seen, young lads and ladies coming home in boxes. If it saves money, then who cares about the frontline personel, our government wil sell it's sole to save money.

A european army / navy what would happen to english banter -no dont go there  we are the best forces in the world we are also poorly eqpt always have been  but we watch out for each other and sadly die for each other  were british  keep it that way

If we join a European army, will we have a union?  I think not !  And if not ,why not ? They have !  And if we are refused a union would that not be an infringment of our  "European/human rights"  And when did tony blair ever send his children to war ! (ref quote)  And when did i become a European ! 

If a European army is formed who do we swear alligience to?  who will be our head of state?  Some guy in a suit with his fingers in the till ?  And if the French start a war who's going to fight it ? The French ? I think not, well, not if they want to win it !!!  

(Ex French Army rifles for sale.........Never been fired and only dropped once !)

(The french have a new Battle tank with ten gears.......all in reverse ! )

( Why has the new French navy got glass bottomed boats ?.......So they can see the old French navy ! )

                                                                            STAY PROUD !     STAY  BRITISH !      

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joyceecee123 says ...

a big NO from me too

French have a white flag as part of their kit -

Itallians have reversing lights on their tanks -  

Poles wait till they are ready to start  at their pace - dead slow or stop - mustn't hurry them - it is against their human rights isn't it

would any good BRITISH SOLDIER take orders from some one who doesn't speak English properly - I don't think so - they would deliberately misunderstand and get on with the job as she should be done - WITHOUT the interference of any foreign influences -

we have the best trained  in the world - though the worst equipped for decades

 

Oh and as you know the Yanks alway talk the Queens English...LOL

 

For the record the Poles are Crackin lads....and good to have on your flank...have worked with their Paras...still a big no to a Europe Army

Cheers for the Edit.....but i did not require one.....