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Anyone have a strong opion as to the best MBT out there?  Is it the Challenger?  The US Abrams?

From what I've read, both have performed well in Iraq - with only 1 loss in action, which is more than a little amazing.

For me the Challenger is the better of the two MBT's.  Leaving aside any national bias the same show Paul refers to showed the damage to the turbine blades the Abrams suffers from due to sand intake - they call it "Blade Hook" as the turbine blades start looking like scythes.   Power packs have to be swapped fairy often to overcome this.

Also I believe the Abrams 120mm main gun originally was a US copy of theRoyal Ordinance Factorys L7xxx.

And  -also again IIRC - a Challenger 1 has the record for the longest distance tank to tank kill during the first Gulf war having hit an Iraqi tank at 5.1 Km

Challenger is the one to beat.  No doubt about it.

And when they go past you on the Panzer Strasse they scare the living daylights out of you!!

You're not wrong Peter! The Challenger 1 was bad enough, I expect 2 is a monster. In GW 2 Challenger 2 was the only tank not to suffer a loss to enemy fire. I think it might be time for the Abrams design to be over-hauled so that it can compete with Alvis Vickers whom claim the modern challenger is the world's most reliable.

Sorry lads, Challenger is a killer. That Abrams model is prone to constant oil leaks from its engine gaskets unless you wrap it in cotton wool. The Chall is as durable as solid rock.

So that's that then is it? Challenger out-perfoms the Abrams in every dept. Well then, what about the JEEP VS LAND ROVER?

Both have had their moments in Iraq and Afghanistan but which one edges it?

Challenger 2 is the better of the two. In fact its the best in the world. I'm not an ex-tanky, But I know a couple of ex-tankys and they say that the yanks drool over our Challenger and that challenger 2's internal technoligy is in fact a military secret. Whether thats true, I don't know. But it is the best tank in the world and it will be hard to beat!

Who said anything about the Merkava? I thought this was about Challenger2 and Abrams? Anyway the general consensus seems to the the Challenger2 and it's infallable oil leaks.

I'm not a teccy but I know the Yanks have used Landrover a lot this past decade. A bit vulnerable to IED's but then so is the jeep.

I need to tell you guy's to me a "Tanky" is a person who fetches the victuals out of the fridge in a war ship. A "challenger" is someone trying to nick your girlfriend and an Abram sounds like an obscure religious sect. You see gentlemen in the original or should I say SENIOR SERVICE only matters of the utmost importance are generally debated, like women, beer  and spirits, and cigarettes, in as much as whether to smoke before sex, after or during. Then and only then do you discuss friverlous things like gun's and weapon's and the like. A question I would throw at you all if I have your attention is      (does that bendy bloke in the fabulouse 4 nead to wear anything "rubber" at any time? and are those Hippo in the co co pops bowls "House trained? Another question, who and where am I ?and what does this ambulance want with me? and get off me and leave......................aloneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..............

 All answers to St Blownits Mental Hospital C/o BFPO SHIPS etc etc etc

Jeep you get a sound system.....and they are not selling a lot of mil models..they had a new model but it bombed...bugger

wonder what the army will replace the Wolf with..if it ever does

Followed closely behind by the second best tank in the world.

the challanger wins by far the reson why is because they saved my ass so mnay times plus there british

 The Challenger is British! It wins hands down!!!

Been on both and chally wins.

Yank are able to throw more money at stuff but we have killer drills.