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Poll: HMS Victory's salvage team could get 700m in gold bullion. But morally whom does it belong to?

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An American treasure-hunting company found HMS Victory's remains last week 1st Feb 2009. But a bit of an argument's started over it.


In 1744 HMS Victory, full with four tons of Portuguese gold, and predecessor to Admiral Nelson's vessel of the same name, sank with all 1,150 of its crew. The exploration company is now planning to salvage its gold cargo from the depths of the English Channel. 


However, international Archaeologists accuse the Florida-based Odyssey Marine Exploration of combining technological surveying methods with commercial ambition and greed. They have also criticised the MoD "indulging in hypocrisy", after it became public that the ministry is in negotiations with Odyssey to share the proceeds. In addtion, the Spanish goverment claims that the Portuguese Gold was actually stolen by their ships which were victims of piracy in south Europe at that time. But isn't it finders-keepers?


If all the bullion is recovered (some of it will have been lost by the shifting sands), it's estimated that it could be worth 700m.


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Seeing as how there would not be very much of the ship left, I hardly think it could be termed a grave. The Duke of York a war wreck from the second world war and an official "War grave" was opened to recover the Russian gold so whats the big deal here.


The local cemetery where I live has been grassed over and the head stones erected around the walls. People sit on the grass and eat their dinner, so why the fuss about a few planks 300 years old at the bottom of the oggin.


There has been thousands lost at sea, so what do we do, ban swimming or recreation in the Oceans and designate it all a cemetery?


Posession is 9 points of the law. British ship,= British gold, so normal rules of salvage,60% finders, 40% owners.


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I agree with Birmingham. 700mil, thats a lot to go to waste. I find the Spanish view funny. They should get the gold that they stole from the Portugese? Shouldn't we then get is for stealing it from the Spanish?

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I think me and Lewis should get some ,for agreeing that the salvagers should get some.


I think I should get more than Lewis as I agreed first.


And my dad could get his mom if he wants.


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They're still out in the Channel Islands looking for the bullion. How do we know it hasn't already been salvaged in the past? Those water are not that deep are they?

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I think that all of the bullion should be split between all ex RN personell aged between 68 & 70 - living in the Midlands

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Stewart ive only just watched this program on SKY TV, i belive they should leave it be, British service men lost their lives on that boat, let them rest in peace.

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Stewart ive only just watched this program on SKY TV, i belive they should leave it be, British service men lost their lives on that boat, let them rest in peace.


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I reckon that the only recipients of the 700 mill. should be all British sailors  aged over 75 who served in HMS Comet.

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i think that the salvage team should get a split of the gold but the goverment should not get any as they waste it. It should go to a charity who will help helpex-servicemen and those comming home nowadays and dont give it to the british legion they waste it also,

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Under NO circumstances should the present government get so much as  grain of the sand it is in - servicemen died with it  - give it back Half to the serving troops for all that kit they need and the rest to the ex-servicemen this government hold in such contempt  - and it there is any left over - can I have it please?

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we can not let it stay where it is even though i believe its a war grave and should go untouched if it has been shown on television it will not take long befor mercenary divers loot the wreck and cause more damage to the war grave.

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Seeing as how there would not be very much of the ship left, I hardly think it could be termed a grave. The Duke of York a war wreck from the second world war and an official "War grave" was opened to recover the Russian gold so whats the big deal here.


The local cemetery where I live has been grassed over and the head stones erected around the walls. People sit on the grass and eat their dinner, so why the fuss about a few planks 300 years old at the bottom of the oggin.


There has been thousands lost at sea, so what do we do, ban swimming or recreation in the Oceans and designate it all a cemetery?


Posession is 9 points of the law. British ship,= British gold, so normal rules of salvage,60% finders, 40% owners.



They should ban swimming as it's opostasy going down there. Have some respect.


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banning swimming  in the sea around the coast is a very viable option -  in some places it is a severe health hazard - have you seen what goes into it ?????????????

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yes but one day we will need that water for life. i still say stop diving on war graves for profite

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As a true descendant of Admiral Sir John Balchen, who commanded and died on the HMS Victory, may I remind everyone that this is a war grave. I myself, having served throughout World War II, am near to death now. I would be most uncomfortable with idea, that anyone would disturb my grave, just for the inconvenient possibility, that I might rest above some gold


    Yours Sincerely     Richard Temple West (Captain Retired)


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 I may well be being thick here..............but isn't HMS Victory at the Naval Dockyard at Pompey?!!!!! Or am I imagining it? Or is this a different HMS Victory? 


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 Yep...I'm thick...........different HMS Victory! I'll shut the door as I leave...........................


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 I may well be being thick here..............but isn't HMS Victory at the Naval Dockyard at Pompey?!!!!! Or am I imagining it? Or is this a different HMS Victory? 



I may be wrong but they are on about the "5th" HMS Victory, the one you mean NG is the "6th".


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What about giving the gold to Julian Assange - but on one condition,let him freedive for it without any form of breathing apparatus. 

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What about giving the gold to Julian Assange - but on one condition,let him freedive for it without any form of breathing apparatus. 



that really cracked me up

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HMS Victory was a flagship of the Royal Navy. But it's finders-keepers so the MoD have to share the gold.


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h.m.s victory is a war grave and should be left as such.

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They plow over old grave yards here to build new houses.... that gold is doing nothing there get it up.......


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The BBC are still running this as a story. I can't believe we are sat talking about this still after its site was found 2 years ago.


What I don't understand is why isn't it protected as a wargrave by the UN (we have signed the charter for this as have 100's of other countries)?


And lets ignore the Spanish if they complain - King Philip II ran his entire economy on stolen gold from the Americas so they have no moral currency to moan.


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